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New Post 11/16/2009 1:33 PM
  Administrator Account
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Discussion of the Sept 30, 2009 Planning & Zoning Kreiger Study Recommendations 
Modified By Administrator Account  on 11/16/2009 2:42:28 PM)

The Building and Zoning Committee recommends the following to the JDA in terms of responses to the recently released Krieger Redevelopment and Marketing Analysis of the 195 Relocation Surplus Land:

CLICK HERE TO READ THE RECOMMENDATION

Please read the above document (posted in the library) and then reply here to post your comments and thoughts.  The complete Krieger Report is also posted, if you wish to review it.

 
New Post 11/16/2009 3:03 PM
  Jim Brown
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Re: Discussion of the Sept 30, 2009 Planning & Zoning Kreiger Study Recommendations 
Modified By Administrator Account  on 11/16/2009 2:49:57 PM)

Posted on behalf of Ken Orenstein:

Jim, Richard, I think Jim’s notes and the format that he put them in is excellent.

Regarding my concern about a fixed rail trolley circulator is that a fixed rail system has significant physical, operational and budgetary consequences to the city, traffic and service delivery consequences along the streets that it would run and to the trolley itself that I don’t think we are ready for. If the goal is to create a high frequency, efficient and effective core area circulator transit system, that takes the ridership off the multiple private jitney/shuttle systems (Brown’s Hospitals etc.) and puts those riders and other users on it, I’m all for it. If the theory is that it will lead to increased density/new development by the fact that it exists, I’m all for it. If a sign is needed that only a fixed rail system does this and shows the public’s long term commitment to the system, sort of “if they build it, they will come” that requires a fixed rail system; I’m dubious. If the availability of fed funds for a fixed rail is the driver for a fixed rail system then I’m more than dubious.

If one looks at Boston for a model-then a “Trackless Trolley” system has all the benefits (including environmental) at lower development & operational costs and perhaps most importantly operational flexibility on the street. (It can swing left or right about a half lane to go around a vehicle where a trolley would be halted cold until the obstacle moves.) The lines out of Harvard Square have for years worked and worked well and MBTA’s new Silver Line which runs across the city on city streets then goes underground at South Station and surfaces at the airport and runs on an overhead catenary when underground and natural gas (I believe) above and provides 3.9 minute frequency at the airport to South Station’s trains & buses and the rest of the MBTA system. It also provides for future flexibility, which include plans to extend the overhead catenaries in the future.

PS I looked for but could not find anything about the circulator on the city’s website.

----Ken Orenstein

 
New Post 11/16/2009 4:00 PM
  Richard Jaffe
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Re: Discussion of the Sept 30, 2009 Planning & Zoning Kreiger Study Recommendations 

Ken,

While I agree that a fixed rail system has significant operational and budgetary consequences to the city, I feel this is one of those projects that may create need by being there.  The problem with a non fixed (trackless) system such as we have in place now is that the route can be moved (like the "trolley" that used to come thru the Jewelry District) and therefore retail operators may be less willing to open their business along the route.  WRT cost to build:  it can only be done it federal funds are available and I think there may be an opportunity for that to happen.  We should be prepared to take advantage of that.  As far as cost to operate I have no doubt that the system will lose money as does RIPTA.  But a chance should be taking here, particularly if it is with Federal Money.  This could be a significant kick for the Jewelry District and for Providence.

 
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